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Panel discusses GLBT issues at ND

Talks center on how to construct a more inclusive atmosphere

Assistant News Editor

Published: Thursday, January 28, 2010

Updated: Friday, January 29, 2010 00:01

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TOM YOUNG/The Observer

Panel members listen to each other as they discuss instances of discrimination the have encountered at the University and ways to address the issues facing the GLBT community.

When Saint Mary's junior Laurel Javors saw a comic implying violence towards the gay community in the Jan. 13 edition of The Observer, she thought of a friend.


"I was in Florence last year, watching my friend Jeff wheeled away in a stretcher," Javors said. "He was beaten to the point where he lost sight in his eye because we was holding his boyfriend's hand.


"These are the realities we face," Javors, a member of Saint Mary's Gay and Straight Alliance, said in a panel Thursday evening.


In response to The Observer comic, student government hosted "Where To Go From Here?: Moving Beyond Fruits  and Vegetables," and discussed how the Notre Dame community can create a more inclusive atmosphere, especially for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) students.


Five panelists spoke about their reaction to the comic and offered suggestions for how the Notre Dame community can make progress in the achieving a "Spirit of Inclusion," referring to the University's 1997 formal statement.


Dan Myers, Associate Dean of the College of Arts and Letters, said The Observer comic should be used as an opportunity for progress.


"When something happens like this, like this cartoon being published, it's natural and it's very easy to get focused on the specific individuals who are involved," Myers said. "That's not where I want to focus."


Myers said it is more important to focus on changing the culture at Notre Dame, and he called upon students and faculty to hold themselves accountable.


"When you first came to Notre Dame, you might have wondered how people were going to behave with respect to these issues," he said. "The first time someone made one of these offensive jokes, I bet there was kind of an awkward pause while people figured out whether it as okay to laugh.


"Those are the moments that define our culture," Myers said.


"I'm asking you … to challenge yourself to step up and be someone who helps change this culture," he said. "I know it's intimidating as hell to do that stuff. I don't blame people to being scared to do it. I'm scared to do it, but you can do it."


Senior Patrick Bears, a member of Core Council for Gay and Lesbian Students, called upon both students and faculty to make a change.


"I don't go a week without hearing something odious described as gay or without someone calling someone else a [derogatory term] when they do something they don't like," he said.


But it's about more than simply changing the type of language used, Bears said.


"It's not just us to stop using ‘gay' [...] What I want us to do is to become better students and better teachers," he said. "I would like to see more students interested in queer material and I want to see more teachers offer queer material in their syllabi."


Javors said the Notre Dame community should move forward by engaging mature discussions about sexuality as a way of life.


"God created my sexuality, regardless of what any religious teaching otherwise said. That is what I hold to be true," she said. "I feel like the more people get to know their peers, whether they be heterosexual or homosexual, they will see that exact same thing.


"Sexuality isn't what someone does in bed, but it's what they live out to the world everyday," Javors said. "I challenge both the Saint Mary's and Notre Dame's campuses to really engage in a mature and intellectual way and not just hide behind the teachings of [the Bible.]"


Myers use his 13-year-old son as an example of what it takes for individuals to help change the culture. He said he heard his son on the phone with a friend defending homosexuality.


"You can hardly imagine a more socially intimidating place in life than junior high. [But my son said,] ‘Dude, you are being so homophobic right now. You can't just call people ‘gay' as a put down,'" Myers said.


"And then he said, ‘Seriously I'm going to hang up on you if you don't stop being so homophobic,'" he said. "Saying, ‘Dude that is so not cool.' That, I'm telling you, is a hell of a weapon.


"Now if he can do it, you can do it. I can do it. We all can," Myers said.


Other panelists included Sr. Sue Dunn, co-president of the Core Council for Gay and Lesbian Students, and Maureen Lafferty, University Counseling Center counselor and psychologist and member of the Core Council.

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34 comments

Anonymous
Wed Feb 10 2010 02:18
Nancy, I love your capitalization, but what if I told you, as a fellow Christian who loves you as a child of God, that the "Truth of Love" includes equality for gays in the eyes of God?
Martin Pal
Mon Feb 1 2010 14:48
Nancy, are you doing your superior dance?

If 'your' "The Truth About Love" notions are so
absolute, then the fact is it would not produce gay
people. When I read that "God is love," there is no asterisk
that has exceptions to that statement.

When anyone feels they are "absolutely" sure about any
subject, I avoid those people. In them there is no room for
enlightenment. The earth is flat and that's that.

By the way, it seems that gay love seems to only bother
straight people. Gay people don't advocate abolishing
or restricting or defining anyone elses love. It doesn't
seem to bother the Deity, either, God keeps making us.

If he didn't, who would want to keep adopting all those
unwanted children who are the products of Nancy's sexual
love?

Nancy D.
Sun Jan 31 2010 21:04
If you Love someone, you will tell them the truth about The Truth of Love.
Martin Pal
Sun Jan 31 2010 14:09
The previous comment was from me, Martin Pal,
a gay man. Always was, always will be. Thanks
for all of your kind words of love and caring.
Anonymous
Sun Jan 31 2010 14:06
Gay people know the truth about themselves, and if you want to bring religion into it, so does God. Straight people's capacity to think that gay people should be just like they are is so superior that it boggles the mind, really. Do you really think gay people are going to be any different, whether you "approve" of them or not. If people suddenly accepted gay people for who they are what would happen? A happier world. It's as simple as that. Message for many religious people: stop doing your superior dance. All it shows is that you are ignorant.
Anonymous
Sun Jan 31 2010 11:14
Keep this simple- the University of Notre Dame represents Catholicism. Catholicism maintains a core set of values as set forth by the teachings of Jesus Christ. Intergrated in the message is procreation and proper relationships between men and women. Why do minority groups believe that they get special privileges despite their contrary beliefs of Catholicism? Why does the Catholic Church even entertain the thought of adjusting core principles to those who distort and abuse values set forth for centuries?! Furthermore, why does Notre Dame allow individual groups to form on campus, especially the gay and lesbian organization? The only groups that should be supported are those related to Catholic teachings. Go to a non-Catholic university if your needs are diverse!
Anonymous
Sun Jan 31 2010 10:18
Angie,
Yet St. Paul also wrote this:

"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

You can't have one without the other. The Jesus who "allowed individuals to make up their own minds how to proceed in the world" is the hippie Jesus invented in the 1970s. It's not the real Jesus, who told us that to have eternal life we must die to ourselves, pick up our crosses, and follow him. The Jesus who came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The Jesus who gave his disciples the keys to the kingdom, and the authority to forgive and retain sin. The Jesus who loved sinners so deeply that he gave up his life to free them from their sin, but who also told them to go and sin no more. The Jesus who intensified the demands of the Mosaic law by abolishing divorce and telling his disciples that even lusting in one's heart is a sin. The Jesus who would never say "fine by me" to a person intent on engaging in homosexual activities.

Nancy D.
Sun Jan 31 2010 10:02
Love rejoices with The Truth, it does not deny The Truth, Who Has revealed to us the essence of Perfect Love.
Angie
Sun Jan 31 2010 02:02
"1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing."

Jesus gave us a new law. A law based on love. It replaced the strictness of the Jewish law and allowed for individuals to make up their own minds about how to proceed in the world, as long as we are guided by love. It allowed us constant revelation, guided by love.

There is no love sweeter then the love I share with God. Second to that is the love I feel for myself, and the people in my life. Sometimes the inexplicable things other people do astound and frustrate me. Sometimes I even frustrate myself. But because I love them and because I love myself and especially because I love God, I stop judging, and I start trying to understand.

Jesus did not just love the people in the Synagogues. He loved the tax payers; the lowest of the low! Who would Jesus NOT love?!

It is time to put homophobia to rest, and to try to understand each other more fully, guided by love. I know that we can change the world through love. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the only way we can.

You cannot continue to ostracize the gay community. We are here. We are in love. It is not a phase. It is not a sickness. We are not ashamed to love. You can beat us with baseball bats, but even that will not make us straight. I think it's time to find a new approach.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 23:23
No one has the right to engage in sexual acts that do not respect the dignity of the human person.
Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 22:18
The Catholic Church is not a political entity. It has no means by which to "impose its power over the populace," especially those who are not Catholic.
Ted Pearson
Sat Jan 30 2010 19:48
I don't need the validation of others to prove my worth to you or the Catholic Church. However, it is the Catholic Church which imposes its power upon the populace and the faithful like you who impose their beliefs upon a minority with impunity. As much as I despise the evil deeds of religions I wouldn't suggest we outlaw them, for there is some good done by religions, too, but you seem to have no problem doing such harm to your fellow man, in the name of your Lady. That is truly scary.
Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 17:27
I'm sorry, Ted, but you don't want to be left alone. You want society in general, and the Catholic Church (and Notre Dame) in particular, to acknowledge the normalcy and healthiness of homosexual relationships, and to treat them in exactly the same manner as marriage. Of course, you are free to live your life as you choose. But you are not free to insist that everyone else validate your relationship, nor to impose your beliefs regarding homosexual relationships on others, especially the Catholic Church and the University founded to honor Our Lady.
Ted Pearson
Sat Jan 30 2010 17:11
just a note to all you folks who feel gays and lesbians are forcing you to accept them, nothing could be further from the truth, we want to be left alone to live our lives just as you do.
. . . there was a day in our Colonies when Catholics weren't allowed to worship in public in the State of Maryland. Catholics had to worship in the closet, so to speak. Charles Carroll of Carrolton, a Signer of the Declaration of Independence had a private chapel in his manor house, it is still there.

It only took you 2 centuries to forget all about Catholic oppression by the King of England.

Yet you have the "moral authority" to champion another form of oppression against gays and lesbians.

How hypocritical is that?

Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 12:56
The homosexual advocacy movement is most certainly insisting that the rest of us accept and endorse their relationships as equivalent to marriage between a man and a woman. That's the impetus behind the so-called "gay marriage" effort, and also what drives the handful of students and faculty who cannot accept the University's refusal to designate homosexual individuals as a protected class in the nondiscrimination clause. And when they meet up with steadfast resistance, based on the University's Catholic mission, their response is accusations of hatred and bigotry.
Ted Pearson
Sat Jan 30 2010 12:12
I'd like to resubmit this with my name attached.

As an ex-Catholic gay man I feel the intent of the disgusting cartoon is exactly within keeping of the Catholic tradition of gay bashing and suppression of equal civil rights for gays and lesbians in America.
The Catholic Church has gone well beyond the boundaries of decency and democracy to demonize gays and lesbians for decades. What else are their faithful to believe? Now the CC leadership tries to backpedal, love the sinner, hate the sin, which is BS propaganda but now the Catholic Church's slander has become hatefully ingrained in the behavior of it's faithful. Not even a clueless young Catholic editor can deny her culpability, but has she expressed her religion's disrespect for civil rights for all?
I suggest the biased homophobic leadership of the Catholic Church reconsider it's priorities, especially the bona fide hatred they publicly espouse for gay and lesbian civil rights and as expressed the the CC's monetary millions of dollars of support for California's Proposition 8. The CC has a lot of gall asking for money for Catholic Charities for Haiti relief and yet a few years earlier spend tens of millions of dollars in California to support discriminatory legislation in America?
I suggest that Notre Dame University decide which is more important, football or human rights. I know it's a tough choice for you kids. It's time for you all to grow up and stop the hatred!

Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 12:06
As an ex-Catholic gay man I feel the intent of the disgusting cartoon is exactly within keeping of the Catholic tradition of gay bashing and suppression of equal civil rights for gays and lesbians in America.

The Catholic Church has gone well beyond the boundaries of decency and democracy to demonize gays and lesbians for decades. What else are their faithful to believe? Now the CC leadership tries to backpedal, love the sinner, hate the sin, which is BS propaganda but now the Catholic Church's slander has become hatefully ingrained in the behavior of it's faithful. Not even a clueless young Catholic editor can deny her culpability, but has she expressed her religion's disrespect for civil rights for all?

I suggest the biased homophobic leadership of the Catholic Church reconsider it's priorities, especially the bona fide hatred they publicly espouse for gay and lesbian civil rights and as expressed the the CC's monetary millions of dollars of support for California's Proposition 8. The CC has a lot of gall asking for money for Catholic Charities for Haiti relief and yet a few years earlier spend tens of millions of dollars in California to support discriminatory legislation in America?

I suggest that Notre Dame University decide which is more important, football or human rights. I know it's a tough choice for you kids. It's time for you all to grow up and stop the hatred!

Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 11:58
"Please stop insisting that the university, and its members, endorse your relationship as equivalent to marriage."

No one is insisting that. So many straw men out here. Ridiculous.

Anonymous
Sat Jan 30 2010 08:13
Luke D,
There is nothing in Catholic teaching, nor in Scripture, that supports your conclusion that homosexual activities are "beautiful and of God's grace." Tellingly, you failed to provide anything but your own conviction to support that assertion. It is true that Jesus would never be callous. He would also tell you, as he told the Samaritan woman living in a sinful relationship, "The man you are with is not your husband." Notre Dame, as a Catholic university, can do no less than Jesus would have done. Please stop insisting that the university, and its members, endorse your relationship as equivalent to marriage.
Luke D.
Sat Jan 30 2010 01:38
The love between my consenting, adult, same-sex partner and I is beautiful and of God's grace. More biblical cherry picking and too much reading of patriarchal translations. And those who want to uphold some idea that there is only one right way for consenting, loving adults to express that love are the same people who take no action to end the violence, hatred, and discrimination people glbt face in their communities. Jesus Christ would never have been so callous. I am so grateful for the emerging voices that understand my very spiritual nature, the essence of me, is tied both to my sexuality and for the blessed union I have enjoyed with my beloved husband. Jesus understood love, justice, and concern for one another. Please keep your beliefs off our bodies. The glbt students at Notre Dame may be people you want to condemn, but they deserve protection from harassment, violence, and fear mongering. ND is in the spotlight and stand firm against people all you want, but love them enough to promote their safety and health and freedom to study without the fear that an anti-gay culture and its resulting violence and discrimination create.






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