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Smicket tension

Published: Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Updated: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 21:12

We were not aware that the student tickets for the two schools competing in the national championship would be allotted to three schools.

On the official Saint Mary’s website the following question is found in the FAQ section: “What is Saint Mary’s relationship with the University of Notre Dame?” Let us emphasize the word “relationship.” Saint Mary’s has a relationship with Notre Dame, but they are not the same institution. Notre Dame, Saint Mary’s and Holy Cross students are all allowed to attend Notre Dame home football games during the regular season. This is an example of the strong and historic relationship that Notre Dame has with these two institutions — the kind of relationship that Saint Mary’s describes on its website. There is a difference, however, between guaranteeing tickets for home games to Saint Mary’s and allocating a limited number of tickets that are in high demand to them as well. A long-standing relationship between Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s should not impede Notre Dame students’ chances of attending their university’s participation in a national championship.

Please understand that this argument does not stem from any dislike of Saint Mary’s or any want to damage the relationship between Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s. The point is that the students of the schools competing in the national championship should have the better chance to be sitting in the student sections at Sun Life Stadium. It is unfair to every Notre Dame student who wants to enter the lottery that students from an institution, whose athletes are not participating in the national championship, are allowed an equal chance to win a ticket to the game when they are already in such high demand.

Ideally, every person who wanted to attend the national championship would be able to, however this is not feasible. The University was allotted 17,000 tickets, and 2,500 of these are allotted to students. Considering that the 2,500 tickets awarded in the lottery will clearly not meet the demands of the Notre Dame student population alone, it does not seem logical to open the lottery to yet another student body. Giving Saint Mary’s students equal access to the lottery further decreases the number of Notre Dame students who will receive tickets. Every Saint Mary’s student who wins a ticket is taking one away from a Notre Dame student. Now, students enrolled at the University of Notre Dame have a smaller chance of winning an otherwise unaffordable ticket to their university’s participation in a national championship.

A concerned alumnus donated a generous $375,000 to allow discounted student tickets, in order to make them more affordable, and thus, more accessible for Notre Dame students. We are forever grateful for this gift because, without it, many students from both Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s would not even be able to consider attending the game. However, because this generosity is extending past the Notre Dame student body and including the Saint Mary’s student body, tickets will be less accessible to Notre Dame students.

We offer the following proposal: Let Saint Mary’s students apply for the lottery once the majority of the demands of the Notre Dame student population are met. This same concept would be expected for a Saint Mary’s event — the majority of Saint Mary’s students would be guaranteed a ticket before Notre Dame students were offered any. Saint Mary’s is part of the Notre Dame family; there is no question about that. The question becomes who should have the majority of access to student tickets for the national championship? The University of Notre Dame is playing against the University of Alabama on Jan. 7, 2013 in the BCS National Championship Game.


Amy Porter
junior
Farley Hall
Dec. 4

Nicole Simon
junior
Farley Hall
Dec. 4

Jennifer Jones
junior
Farley Hall
Dec. 4

Patrick Bedard
junior
Zahm Hall
Dec. 4

Charles Magiera
sophomore
Keough Hall
Dec. 4

 

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32 comments

Anonymous
Fri Dec 7 2012 18:44
Y'all need to shut up and just be thankful that you were able to attend the home games in South Bend this year. Sadly, Declan and Lizzy never got the chance.......
Anonymous
Thu Dec 6 2012 22:38
Amy, Nicole, Jennifer, Patrick and Charles - As an ND alum, I agree 100% Let's hope that when our Fighting Irish get next year's National Championship bowl invitation the ticket office does not make the same mistake. Go Irish!
Anonymous
Thu Dec 6 2012 22:32
The number of student tickets is 2500. That number did not change because of the generous donor. The only thing that changed was the cost of the ticket. Arguing that because of the donation SMC students must be included in the Notre Dame Student ticket allocation is ludicrous.
Anonymous
Thu Dec 6 2012 06:12
If you don't have enough smick friends to be happy that they are included in the lottery, then you probably aren't very social anyways, and maybe Miami might not be the place for you. I for one can't wait to party on South Beach with my smick friends. They're a part of our community and we aren't excluding them. Get over it.
Anonymous
Thu Dec 6 2012 00:25
I once tried to go to a concert at SMC and was turned down because I was an ND student. I have no problems with SMC getting access to ND events, but if the school is not willing to reciprocate, then access should be revoked.
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 23:20
Good article. Whats funny is that if this "relationship bound by tradition and the Catholic morals" is so apparent, as all the smick chicks and smick alumnae say, why do such a large percentage of Notre Dame students deny it? Why do smicks have to advocate so strongly to show that it exists? Yes Notre Dame gives them opportunities, and smicks have to pay fees to get certain athletic opportunities, but that does not mean they are entitled to anything. The relationship is completely one sided and i'm sick of Smick chicks saying it is two-sided (Yes, they offer minimal opportunities on the SMC campus but it does not compare nearly to what we offer them). Smick chicks can just go away and no one would care...
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 21:24
To the comment below me,

Well said.

Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 20:25
This is disgusting. This whole situation is wrong on so many levels. Those being:
1.) Aren't both of these institutions founded in and overly proud of their shared religious faith? I think that complaining about the unfairness of "who gets what" when this "what" is a luxury, non-necessity item - half gift even - goes against the central message of this religion. You know, like that 'treat others how you want them to treat you in return' saying or the fact that the name of their religious sect means "universal" meaning all are included or all are welcome. Really, they mean the same thing. Anyway, a great deal of students at ND talk obnoxiously openly about their faith, yet these same people are the most judgmental and inconsiderate snobs I have ever encountered. Point is, these people clearly have no idea what their religion is about yet they practice all its rituals with such sincerity, and that is very unsettling. On so many levels.
2. Given the self-solicited religious nature of the institutions and the majority of their students, one could assert that they should probably assume that the "unfair" setup of the lottery was the intention of the donor. It is most likely the case that this donor, at least, approved it. In any case, the administration is likely not going to do anything about it, whether or not you publicly complain. Also, anyone in their right mind would be ashamed to act on a desire to complain about such a juvenile, selfish issue, especially given the generous nature of the (economical) availability of these tickets. On that note:
3. Griping about the terms of a gift is despicable and goes against the beliefs of both schools and all their members, which includes the donor. Religion aside, this remains true. Students not only so far as to publish a somewhat formal complaint regarding the matter, they let loose on the internet with inconsiderate comments that liken them to a literate buffoon, claiming false, unchecked assumptions for the public to read and portraying themselves as unlearned, uncultured and completely self-interested.
4.

Well I do not care about this enough to continue explaining why people should be appalled at the reaction of ND students to this issue. I believe it is pretty self-evident. (However, internet commentary does suggest this is the case.)
I really hope that people with any sense are truly upset by the savagery of this situation. It is truly pathetic.

Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 20:21
To the comments that say SMC women aren't Notre Dame students...your athletic department has no problem charging them athletic fees and dues. If I'm charged the same the fees, I'm entitled to the same opportunities.

- not a current SMC student...

Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 17:58
To the comment "No SMC student is saying "GIVE ME THE TICKETS. I DESERVE THE TICKETS." They just want the chance to enter the lottery..All that's happening is that they have a chance to win a ticket...just like the ND students. In fact, they have higher odds to play against." -- That is an awfully bold move to speak for the entire student body of Saint Mary's College. I would never dare say "NO Notre Dame student" is saying one thing or another. Furthermore, saying they have higher odds to play against shows your utter misunderstanding of odds. Each Notre Dame and Saint Mary's student will have the exact same odds of getting a ticket. That is the reason for complaint in the first place.
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 16:12
Well, you can complain all you want. Bottom line, you have to share with your sisters at SMC. Get over it and consider yourselves lucky to even be in this position. ND football was 3-9 the year I graduated. Let's put the focus back on our amazing football team and quit crying about the injustices and our first world problems. GO IRISH!
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 15:50
To the person below me, this article is based on the theory of the ticket distribution, not on being spoiled brats. We don't need someone telling ND students to be thankful for the tickets (which we are of course) that is completely irrelevant. The BCS distributes the tickets to the universities in the NC game, that's how it works. The universities are comprised of the students, who should receive the tickets. Saint Mary's students do not fall under the category "Notre Dame student." They do not have Notre Dame ID's, yes they are in the ND community, but it is not the same. We deserve the tickets, we are the students, end of story. I love how the only people who are arguing the other side are "smick chicks," SMC alumnae, or ND students/alumni who have a direct relationship with SMC (siblings, spouses, etc). Everyone else can see the justification in our argument, and so would Alabama or any other school
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 15:19
Just be grateful for the opportunity to get a ticket. There will be tens of thousands of people that won't even get the slightest chance for a ticket. Just be grateful you jabronis.
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 14:35
Dear person who posted before me,

Have you failed to realize that this article was written by 2 ND men as well as 3 ND women. Stop trying to put the ND girls against the SMC girls. That isn't what this is about.

Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 14:30
Why do you assume to donation was only for ND Students? Yes, it was given to ND, but this is because ND controls ticket distribution. Did the donor come out and say that the donation was only for ND students? If so, then your argument is legitimate. I would tread carefully girls, the donor's wife/daughter/family members could be SMC grads. He may very well have thought ND would be mature and wise enough to know that his donation was to include SMC. I wouldn't jump to conclusions in regard to another person's generosity. Enjoy your gift and stop being so petty and spoiled.
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 14:26
Has everyone forgotten that the anonymous donor wanted the money donation to be used as a discount for both Notre Dame AND Saint Mary's students?
Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 14:21
students can actually only apply for one
ViewpointWars
Wed Dec 5 2012 14:15
Can someone explain this math of one's supposed chances of winning this lottery?

By my math, there's 2,500 tickets, but most applicants will apply for 2, so there will be 1,250 winners of the lottery. According to admissions.nd.edu, there are 8,452 undergraduate (12,004 total) students at Notre Dame. According to wikipedia, there are 1,628 students at St. Mary's.

Using undergrad numbers: 14.79% chance of winning lottery without SMC, 12.40% with SMC
Using total enrollment numbers: 10.41% without SMC, 9.17% with SMC

Where are these "hundredth of a percent" numbers coming from?

Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 14:05
To the smick chick who can't do basic math and claims that SMC students being in the lottery only lowers the notre dame percentage by one hundreth of a percent, here's some knowledge:

current odds of a notre dame student winning a ticket: 2500/13504=.18 which equals an 18% chance
odds should the SMC students not be in the lottery: 2500/12004=.21 which equals a 21% chance

next time check your math before you ridicule notre dame students for whining about a one hundredth of a percent difference. it's actually a 3 percent difference, making you 300% off. educate yourself

Anonymous
Wed Dec 5 2012 13:54
For all you St. Mary's fans who pontificate about the "special relationship" the schools share you are forgetting about some rather recent history. In 1971, the schools tried to merge. But in early 1972 the merger was called off because as Father Hesburgh said, "the nuns wanted to marry us but didn't want to live together or take our name." As someone who was a freshman in 1972 I lived through this. In my opinion, SMC made a choice then to be independent of Notre Dame.




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